Friday, 11 October 2013

The Queen's Hotel (The Queens)

"The Queen's" is a term that's been used for many years in Maltby to identify a particular area. The Queen's Hotel is of course, where the term originated but Queen's Corner, Queen's Crossroads or just Down the Queen's are all ways of describing the junction of Tickhill Road, High Street, Grange Lane and Muglet Lane

The QueensHotel as it is today is very different from what it was in years gone by.
Lengthy discussion  on whether there should be an apostrophe in the name or not has only succeeded in us presuming that the queen in the name was Queen Mary and that the apostrophe has been added and omitted over the years, so there is no hard and fast rule in using it.

Derek Drabble's parents Hubert and Dorothy (nee Woodhouse) held their wedding reception at The Queen's on 12th September 1924. 

The balcony which overlooked Muglet Lane at this time was reached via french doors from the ballroom and there was a marble staircase leading to the ballroom. Downstairs there was a neatly arranged dining room on the Tickhill Road side of the hotel.

The original building was opened in 1923 as one of a chain of high class hotels by John Smith's Brewery.
Mr Othan V Pike was the landlord from 1925 to 1947.

Mr Pike is 3rd from the left on the front row of this picture with his daughter Joan on his knee. Joan's
mother, Mrs Pike is sitting on the right of her husband. The little boy is Joan's older brother, Derek.
Joan,whose married name was Wilkinson, died recently aged 87 so the photo was taken about 86 years ago.
When Joan was only four years old her mother died suddenly with appendicitis after not reaching the hospital in time, transport  then being very different to what it is today. Joan had no memories of her mother but spoke with great affection of her dad. Mr Pike never got over his wife's death and battled with depression for the rest of his life, which ended sadly when he got up one morning, filled the bath with water,slid under and drowned himself.
Joan didn't go into the Queen's again until very recently when Wetherspoons took it over. 

For years after stories were told of his ghost haunting the Queen's and tales are still told of strange and unexplained happenings.

When the nightclub was opened in 2002 it was named"Mr Pike's"in his memory and the landlords at that time say that Joan was very pleased to have her father honoured in such a way.

Mr William Plaice head barman and great grandfather of Rachel Louise Connole sitting front right on the photo, with the pocket watch.

One of the maids on this picture is still living in Maltby, but yet to find out her name. 

Wednesday, 9 October 2013

Roads and Streets We Remember - Grange Lane

It's strange the things we remember easily and others that we just as easily forget. 

As we have been posting our memories of Maltby, one picture and one question can set off a whole lot of memories. The conversation goes from one thing to another and we find that we have accumulated information on things that we weren't even thinking about in the first place. 
This happened with the question " Does this look like 56 Grange Lane and does anyone recognise the people in the photo?

First we discussed the hair styles and clothes to figure out what date it was taken. Most of us remember that our mother or sister or brother had hair like that or a jumper like that and the picture or occasion can usually be dated in this way.

We then wondered if we could check the windows as they are today to see if they are the same size and the air grate on the wall.  Of course, windows are renewed over time and though some remember sash windows, we think they were changed to small paned ones at some point.
Sheila Thornhill remembers her parents moved into 56 Grange Lane around 1975. They did a lot of alterations to the house but she doesn't remember them being like this. 

The right window which was the kitchen is now the back door, which used to be in the gennel and the left window is much lower than it shows on here a little lower than the other window. She is sure they only replaced them and did not have them lowered. Maybe they were changed prior to this, or maybe this is not number 56 !

Many people remember their Grandparents living on Grange Lane - Nan, Mrs Tittensor and cousin David at number 59, Grandma & Grandad Cheetham and Arthur - possibly number 23, and Grandma and Grandad Madin. Nan and Grandad Stan and Frances Daffin lived at no 60 for many years. Grandad worked on Maltby Pit top and brother George drove the pit bus ). Stan and Frances were Uncle and Auntie to Anne who remembers visiting them every week, usually after a visit to the cemetery.

Jade's Great Grandmother "Granny Ainsworth" lived at number 49 and her dad Bob Chant was born there. Chris White remembers her well. She had a black labrador and lived next door to his Grandma, Lucy Rutherford at number 47.
Keith Parker's parents lived at No.64 when his dad was Undermanager at the pit in the mid 1950's before he moved to Thurcroft as Manager. Fred Jerram, (NUM Sec) and Rob's dad lived next door at number 66.
 Lynn Oglesby remembers the people opposite her Nans, relatives of David Hattersley and Mrs Foster on the corner who sold eggs. They went to her caravan for holidays every year.

Obviously our memories are spread over many years and not all those remembered lived on the street at the same time. Nathan Smith reckons there's only one building that had sliding sashes and metallic bricks and that's The Queen's.
Maybe this picture is not even Grange Lane, let alone number 56, but one thing is certain, as at January 2013, it is the home of Lisa Hibbert Jackson ! 

Monday, 23 September 2013

The Chemist and Healthy Remedies

In the days before NHS Direct and Googling your symptoms for a cure, most of us

remember our mother's remedies for our ills. This ranged from the many uses of Vicks

to rubbing margarine on a bump on the head.

I remember us children also getting margarine rubbed on to a burn. Not sure where my

Grandma got that one from but no one seemed to realise at the time that your skin was 

actually now frying.

My Granda was a medic in the RAMC in WW1, so he must have passed on this 'remedy' 

from his experiences. 

didn't pass on this greasy tradition to my own children (fortunately) as memories 

of a throbbing, stinging forehead with your hair sticking to the poorly spot are not at all 


Vicks vapour rub had many uses. We remember it getting rubbed on our chests, inhaling it

from in a steaming bowl with a towel over your head and even swallowing a spoonful of 

the amazing stuff.


This cured anything from blocked up noses, to sore throats, bad coughs and aching

muscles. It must be good stuff, as of course it's still going today.

There have been a number of Chemists over the years, before the Weldricks that we have

now on the High Street. Each of us remembers things differently but we are almost in 

agreement that Gorrils was on Morrell Street in the early 60s and then moved to the High 

St, where Kate's Kitchen is today.

There was the Chemist Leslie Walker and the Pharmacist on High St was Mr Lane. Mr Lane was always concerned that you understood clearly what your medicine was for.    Cath Reeve worked there for 3 weeks when she first left school and remembers him being rather scary ! 
He was followed by Mr Stanley.

Jean Whinfrey remembers her cousin Angela working there and can also remember falling down at the fair across the road and  her mum took her across to get a plaster.

(Before this the corner shop was Panes, which was a grocery store and Jean remembers 

going to the shop with a small basket when she was only four and lived on Manor Rd.)

You could get hair lacquer spray bottles filled up for sixpence in those days !

Eileen Everton worked in Walkers chemist on Morrell St in 1960. She remembers the boss 

being a plumpish man with very dark hair

Also the shop  opposite the bus stop at the Queens was the same owner at that time and 

she had to go over sometimes for things they didn't have.

Julie Sullivan remembers that it always smelled lovely inside the chemist shop and getting

Miners makeup from there.  (Miners being the name of the company who  made it -

though maybe some Maltby miners got there makeup from here too )

Robert Swan remembers Lloyds chemist, High St  with the dispensary being round 

the back up 3 or 4 steps.

In Doreen's era, the Queens chemist was Walkers, Gorrils was on the corner of Manor Rd,

next to Bowyers.

(Doreen and Hilda remember Harold Gorrill being a very nice man, in the church choir and

carrying the cross)

Everything comes full circle as we know and this well remembered delicacy has gone from

being on the chemist counter for a 1d a stick, then disappearing for many years and then 

coming back into fashion again as a real healthy treat ! 

Get it in all good health food shops now, but don't expect much change from a £1.

Wednesday, 28 August 2013

The Place and It's People

Maltby is a former mining town and civil parish of 16, 856 inhabitants in the Metropolitan Borough of Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England. It was, historically in the West Riding of Yorkshire and is located about 6 miles (10km) east of Rotherham town centre and 10 miles (16km) north-east of Sheffield city centre. It forms a continuous urban area with Hellaby, separated from the rest of Rotherham by the M18 motorway ... ...

So goes the information that we usually get when we look up references to Maltby in books and more often on Google and other sources on the Internet.
"We"of course, know this as we are the inhabitants of the place or at some point in our lives we have been. These pages are about the other information about Maltby that is more personal to us - the experiences we have had and the memories that we still have of the place and it's people, with a little bit of history to accompany them.
For some of us the history of Maltby is embedded into our lives in all that we do and for others, it is a learning experience that is for ever ongoing. Going back to our 'roots' is something that we all feel the need for at some time and in doing so we can keep connected with the past and prepare for the future.

The extent of the changes that have occurred in the world in the last 100 years never fail to amaze me. Technology, industry and population continue to increase at what seems sometimes to be alarming speeds. "Blink and you have missed it" is true in many situations. Majority of the changes have been for the better, but it is good for us to know how our parents, grandparents and great grandparents lived.

In 1911, for example out of every 1 000 babies born, 130 died before reaching their first birthday. About one death in every four in the whole population was of an infant before its first birthday.
Life was short compared to today with infectious diseases being the main cause of death. Life expectancy at birth in 1911 was 49 years for men and 53 years for women. Almost impossible to believe when today we are such young things at those ages !

In Maltby the changes have been as extensive as anywhere else.

In 1953 the population had risen to 13,000 with 3,340 houses.
In 1908 the population was about 900, with only 300 to 400 houses.

A plan of Maltby as it was in 1853 shows how extensively the land use changed with the coming of the industrial revolution, much of the land being pasture, common land and meadow before this.

The shoemaker, the ropemaker, the blacksmith, the wheelwright and many others have long since gone from the town. Even the Swan Inn is no longer a public house. 
There are still some parts of Maltby that are the same as they have been for a couple of hundred years, though they are becoming fewer with the building of more houses to accommodate us. 

Who knows what this will be in another hundred years time. But at least we have a record of it as it is now before any further changes.

Monday, 5 August 2013

Eunice Winstanley Davies remembers ...

Hello, I think my mother's family were instrumental in starting the fish and chip businesses in 


My grandfather brought his family to Maltby in the early 1900's. He came to work at the pit as a  
deputy but he also started a fish and chip shop in Morrel street called J Eyre & sons. 

My mother and his sons worked in this shop. She later started Manor Road Fisheries and 

she was then Evelyn Winstanley. She taught her son Jack Woolhouse the business and he took 

over Manor Road Fisheries.

She also taught her step children Lawrence Winstanley who had bought the chip shop on 

Morrel street and Dorothy Pugh who had a chip shop on Cliff Hills and the one on Rotherham 

Road opposite the grammar school.

At one time Jack owned 4 chip shops being 3 in Maltby and one in Rotherham area.

My mother had very interesting life. Her father Joe Eyre was a bit of a tyrant and she went into

 "service" to get away from home. She worked at Sandbeck and at the Queens and later on in

 Bournemoth and Blackpool. 

She was married and widowed 3 times and had to support herself and her children. 

When she married my dad Tom Winstanley he had 5 children and she had 2. 

She had compensation money from the pit for the death of her 2nd husband and she set my dad

 up in business buying and selling cars until they had enough money to have the Manor Road

 Fisheries built. 

I was the only child of their marriage and grew up in the fish shop. Those were happy days and

I look back on them with great fondness. 

I didn't know what I wanted to do when I left school, so I tried Byfords and only lasted

 two weeks. Then I worked at our shop for while and wanted something different so went and

got a job at the toy shop called Heaths in Maltby. 

My other half sister called Dorothy had emigrated to South Africa and came home for a nine 

month working holiday. She and her husband persuaded my parents and his parents to allow 

his sister and me to return with them to South Africa as they said we were both spoilt and they

 were going to get us right! 

Well, we came by ship and had a wonderful trip and landed in Cape Town and then travelled 

by road to Johannesburg a very long journey to this dusty city with gold mine dumps and sky 

scrapers and wondered what we had come to. 

We didn't like it and were very homesick but we both got jobs and both eventually met our 

husbands. The weather was great, a lot of outdoors life and tennis 

and going away for weekends to resorts with cottages with thatched roofs and game reserves 

and lots of swimming . So we had a very different lifestyle. 

We both married and never went back to England for years - because we couldn't afford it.

(Photos to follow)

Local Businesses - Byfords

There have been many local businesses over the years that many of us have fond memories of. A few are still with us in Maltby - Lawrence Bros, Saunders Butchers, Pete's Garage (now Manor Nurseries) and Bowyers which has sadly just closed this year.

I  realised that of course when you ask the question "Which businesses have been in Maltby for a long time"  you obviously get varying answers depending on the age of the person you are asking. So different places are remembered by different people from different times.
But one business that is remembered is Byfords, which was situated where the new Police Station is now. 

Donald Byford opened his own business in 1919 in Leicester. By 1922, his sock business was flourishing and by 1951 he branched out into manufacturing knitwear. We are still tryng to find out the date that Byfords came to Maltby, but by this time it was well known for "men's sweaters and knitted shirts".

Many Maltby people worked in  Byfords and almost everyone's mother, father, aunt, uncle, grandparent or friend worked there at some time or other, often whole families at once. Some left to work elsewhere over the years and returned later. One lady worked on the press for thirty years and never had a day off.
These were the days when you could leave one job and walk into another - unlike today.

Jobs at Byfords were in the Yarn Store, handfinishing, Press, Rib Knitter, Seamer and of course Supervisor. There were also mechanics working there as obviously the machines needed maintaining.
Jack Marriott worked at Byford in Leicester before transferring to Maltby in late 60's.

Doreen Raynor's first job was working as a shorthand/ty[ist in the Personnel Office of D.Byford &Son when the Personnel Officer was Mrs Allen. She started there in 1955 when she was 17 years old on £3 5s a week. By the time she had paid out expenses she was left with only about 10s for herself. Some of Doreen's friends who were working in the factory on piece work could earn as much as £12. 

There were 2 shifts - days and afters - and when  teams joined up on long days they had such fun that it didn't feel like going to work. Am not sure if the Supervisors saw it this way too ! 
Christmas parties were loved by everyone, especially the children, and many remember going and having a great time.
Janet Richardson Miles' daughter remembers her mother telling her a sad story about their team coach on a night out being involved in an accident with a mini on the motorway. Not all memories are fond ones and the tragic things we usually remember more easily.

But in general, Byfords will go down in history as a good employer of Maltby people and one where work was a pleasure to go to. 

Wednesday, 31 July 2013

Roche Abbey Murder - 1864

The trial was held at the West Riding Assizes at Leeds Town Hall
James Sargisson (20) Labourer, was indicted for the wilful murder of John Cooper, at Laughton, near Rotherham, on the 9th of April 1864. The prisoner pleaded not guilty. Two men named George Denton and William Taylor were committed for trial by the magistrates on the charge, but the Grand Jury ignored the bill against the former, and the prosecution did not present an indictment against Taylor.
Mr. Overend, Q.C., Mr Maule, and Mr. Barker conducted the prosecution, the prisoner was defended by Mr. Waddy.

Mr. Overend stated the facts of the case to the jury. The deceased was a young man, twenty six years of age, by trade a gardener, and for some time he had been employed by Messrs. Fisher and Holmes of Handsworth, near Sheffield. His father and Mother lived atStone, fourteen or fifteen miles from Handsworth, and on the 9th of April, which was a Saturday, he started from his employment, for the purpose of going home to see his friends. To go to Stone, he would have to pass through a village called Brook House, thence to Slade Hooton, along Abbey Lane, and a farm called Bullytree Hill. On the night in question he arrived at Brook House between nine and ten o'clock, and went to a public house there, kept by a person named Mottram, where there were also several other persons, named Richmond, Fletcher and Taylor, as well as the prisoner. At that time the prisoner was dressed in drab clothes. The deceased who was a tall man, was dressed in dark clothes, and had with him two bundles and a walking stick. After remaining for some time in the public house, something was said about the time, and the deceased, who had a silver watch, pulled it out, enabling the prisoner to see it, and, in reply to the remark of Mrs Mottram, said "Oh, yes, it is ten o'clock by Sheffield time." Having partaken of refreshment, the deceased went away, but whether before or after the prisoner was not clear. However that might be, almost immediately afterwards a boy, who was in the road near, noticed a man in light clothes, standing opposite the public house, apparently watching it. In a short time a man in dark clothes, carrying two bundles and a walking stick, walked down the road in the direction of Abbey lane, and almost instantly the man in light clothes, a smaller man than the other, was seen to follow in the same direction, and on the opposite side of the road, on which there was no footpath.

The deceased never reached the home of his parents, and the next morning a person going from Bullytree Hill farm, walking towards Brook House, found the body of the deceased in Abbey Lane. It was lying across the road, the head towards the road and the feet towards the hedge. The body was in a pool of blood, and close to his head was a large hedge stake, upon which were afterwards discovered marks of blood and human hair adhering. The bundles and walking stick were on the ground, his hat was off, his waistcoat open, and every pocket turned inside out and rifled except one, in which were found a knife, some tobacco, and one or two trifling articles. Assistance was obtained, the body was taken to a public house, and on a post mortem examination it was proved beyond all doubt that the man had come by his death by Violence. He Had received a severe blow on the top of his head, other blows at the back of his head, indeed, being almost in a state of pulp. He had received a black eye, and there were marks on his hands which would have been produced if he had been engaged in a struggle.
Nothing transpired to lead to the detection of the person who had been the cause of the deceased death for some days, but suspicion attached to the prisoner. He had been in the public house, and a man answering his description was seen walking in the direction in which a man answering the description of the deceased was known to have gone. Detective Officer Fisher had an interview with the prisoner, and to him made a statement (one of three or four) which was of considerable importance to the case. This statement was taken on the 11th of April and in it he said that he was at Mottram's beer house about 8 o'clock on the night of the murder, that he went there with William Taylor, Fletcher and Richmond, that they played dominoes until half past nine, when the deceased man came in and had a glass of ale, that he had a small bundle and a stick with him, that whilst they were talking Mrs Mottram asked the time, and the deceased took out his watch, a silver one, and said "It's ten minutes to ten" that about five minutes afterwards, he (prisoner) left the house, leaving the deceased there, that he went he went up to his own house, which was 100 yards from Mottrams, but did not go in, that he went back again past the public house, along the footpath leading to Laughton, and walked as far as Mr. Ibbotson's, that he stood here a short time and heard company in the house, that he returned home and found the family in bed, the time being twenty minutes to eleven, that he did not see anyone except one woman whom he did not know, and that he was wearing the same trousers, vest and slop he had on then (drab clothes).
The inquest of the body of the deceased was opened on the 12th of April, and adjourned to the 27th. Before the last named day a reward of £100 had been offered to any person who would give information as to who was the murderer, and at the adjourned inquest the prisoner was present, and offered to make a statement, which was taken down in writing. Substantially, that statement was the same as that originally given to Fisher, excepting that he said he met Jane Hawke, and stood talking to her. This statement was untrue, for Jane Hawke would be called and prove that she never spoke to the prisoner on that night. Up to that time there was nothing to lead to his apprehension, there was suspicion attaching to him, but nothing sound. On the 3rd of May he was taken in custody and then made another statement to Fisher. He said, "I am not guilty. I am as innocent as a child." After being in the police office some little time he said to Fisher, "I want to tell you how the deed was done. "Fisher told him that what he said might be used against him, and after a caution the prisoner proceeded - "When I came out of Mottrams I met George Denton." (This man was subsequently apprehended, but the Grand Jury ignored the bill) He asked me where I was going? and I said "home." Denton said "who is that who's just come out before you?" I told him it was a stranger. He said "Will you go on with me Jim?" I said "where to?" He said, "To Slade Hooton." We went together. He said nothing about our attacking Cooper until we got to Slade Hooton, and opposite the Beech House. He then said "I think I know yon man who came out before you." Cooper was then within hearing distance, and just before us. He also said "I think I know where he is going." He then said "I'll tell you what my intentions is if thou won't tell anyone." He said, "It isn't long since I came out of York Castle, and I don't care how soon I go again." He said "Now I'm going to murder him," meaning Cooper. At that time we were passing Beech's, Abbey Close.
The route they would have taken:
 He then passed in front of me, and I saw him pull a stake out of the fence. He then went up to the man and said "How are you, I think I know you." Cooper said "Do you think so" I then saw him strike Cooper with the stake and I saw him (deceased) fall in the hedge. He again struck him when down, and I never heard the deceased speak after the first blow. Denton said to me, "Jim, go and feel his pockets" I said "No George, I can't." He then replied "Then I will", and I saw Denton rifle the pockets and take his money and watch. He counted the money, and there was seven shillings and sixpence in silver. He said that was all he had got out of his pockets. Whilst taking the money, he said "Is he finished Jim?" If he's not I'll finish the ..." He then took up the stick again and struck him rapidly. He gave me the watch and told me to put it away for a day or two. I took it and wrapped it in a piece of paper and a handkerchief, and concealed it in our pig stye, and he kept the money. He said he was going to Tickhill for a few days, and would take the watch and sell it for me. The prisoner went on to say that before going up to the deceased, Denton put on a false beard, that they afterwards met, and Denton asked if the police suspected him, that there were some marks of blood on his trousers, and that he had washed the marks off on Sunday morning. Before this statement was made the prisoner was told that a pair of trousers, which had been washed and were spotted with blood, had been found under the bed he slept upon. He then made the statement admitting that the murder was committed in his presence. The only evidence against Denton was the prisoners statement, which was uncorroborated, was no evidence at all, but that statement was admissible against the prisoner himself. The police officers, in consequence of this statement, went to the pig stye alluded to and there found the watch, and it was a curious circumstance that it was wrapped in a portion of newspaper, the corresponding piece being found in the prisoners house. In the pig stye was also found a bunch of keys which had belonged to the deceased.
The verdict of the coroners jury was one of 'Wilful murder against some person or persons unknown'. The prisoner was taken before the magistrates, and there made a statement in some respects similar to the one he had made to Fisher, adding, however, some important details not previously given. Excepting these statements of the possession of the property of the deceased, there was very little against the prisoner, but it was for the jury to say whether under the circumstances they could doubt, whatever might be their opinion as to Denton’s guilt, that the prisoner was present at the time the deceased was murdered.
The following evidence was then adduced :
William Greaves, Stonemason, Roche Abbey , - On Sunday, the 10th April, I was proceeding from my own house to Slade Hooton, I had to go down Abbey Lane, and saw a man laid dead, covered in blood. That was at ten minutes to nine in the morning. The person was lying with his head to the road and his feet in the hedge. I went for assistance, and saw Samuel Beech. A policeman was sent for, and the body then removed.
Stephen Cooper - brother of the deceased. I am a labourer, living in Stone. On Sunday afternoon I went to Laughton, and there found the dead body of my brother in the St Ledger’s Arms. He was a gardener, and 26 years of age. He had been working for Messrs. Fisher and Holmes, at Handsworth. Handsworth is 13 or 14 miles from Stone. My brother was expected at home on Saturday night, but never came. In going from Handsworth to Stone you pass through Brook House, Slade Hooton, Abbey Lane and Holme. (Inspector Hookaday produced a watch and a bunch of keys) The watch was my brother’s. I had seen it on the 23rd of November, and I can swear to it by a flaw between the figures IV and V. The keys were also his, I have seen them in his possession many a time.
Mr. Wm. Latimer, Surgeon, South Anston. On the 13th April I made a post mortem examination of the deceased. On the right temple I found a contused wound about one and a half inch in length, on the left hand side of the head, from the temple towards the back part, the skin and muscles were beaten almost to a pulpy state, apparently caused by a repetition of blows from a blunt instrument, I also found a wound on the top of the head, about an inch in length, and a contused wound immediately below the left eye. On the right side of the neck I found an abrasion three inches in length, the right hand was much swollen, and the left hand and wrist were also much bruised and swollen. In the other respects the body was in a healthy condition. The skull was not fractured. The wounds were sufficient to cause death, that on the temple was more than sufficient. A blunt instrument would have caused them. (Serjt. Mc Veitty produced a long hedge stake) Such a hedge stake would be likely to produce the wounds - Cross examined: 
I have seen a man named Denton. Cooper (deceased) was a tall man. The wound at the top of the head, I think , was inflicted when the man was down on the ground. The wound might have been caused by a kick. I have known the prisoner before, and his family also. As far as I know, he has never been before a magistrate in his life.
Sergeant Mc Veitty, one of the West Riding Constabulary, stationed at Laughton, deposed to finding the deceased body in Abbey Lane. There was a quantity of blood under his head, and also in the hedge bottom. His were bloody, his waistcoat was thrown open, and all his pockets were turned inside out except one. He examined that and found a pair of gloves, some tobacco, and a pruning knife. The hedge stake he found lay close to the deceased’s head.
Robert Mottram, Labourer, Brook House - My father keeps a beer house, I remember the evening of Saturday, April 9. I was at my father’s that night. James Sargisson, Wm. Taylor, George Richmond, and Wm. Fletcher were there when I went about half past eight. The deceased came in about nine. He had dark clothes on, and was carrying a bundle and something in paper. He was sober. He stayed till about ten, and I was in when he went out. I can’t remember whether Sargisson or Cooper went out first, they went out near together. Whilst they were all in the house, someone asked Cooper the time, and he said it was ten minutes to ten by Sheffield time. I did not see his watch.
George Richmond - Machinist, Laughton. I was at Mottram’s beer house on Saturday night, April 9. Whilst I was there, Sargisson and Taylor came in, and after them, Robert Mottram, and then the deceased. There were some talk about the time, and Cooper said it was twenty minutes to ten, and afterwards he said it was ten o’clock by Sheffield time. He drew his watch out, and Sargisson, who was standing on the hearth, could see it if he looked. I could not say whether Sargisson or the deceased went out first, they went out together about a minute past ten. It is about twenty minutes walk from the beer house to Abbey Lane.
Thos Fletcher, a boy thirteen years of age, said, I live with my parents in Laughton. On Saturday night, 9th April, I went with my brother to Brook House about half past nine. We went to Mottram’s beer house. I did not go inside. I saw a man standing in the middle of the road, opposite the house. He was dressed in drab clothes. I went to Mr Ardrons, and then saw a tall man dressed in dark clothes, he was going towards Hooton, with two bundles, one in each hand. I saw a man coming down the dyke side, opposite the footpath going towards Hooton, in the same direction as the dark man, he was like the man I saw at Mottrams.
Mr. Wm. W. Woodhead, deputy coroner for the West Riding, produced the deposition of the prisoner, taken at the inquest on the body of the deceased, on the 22nd of April, Cross examined: 
At the time a reward had been offered for the discovery of the murder of Cooper, and a free pardon to anyone who did not strike the fatal blow.
Mr Waddy took the objection, upon the authority of King V Buswell, decided by the late Mr Justice Cresswell, that the deposition was not admissible. In that case it was held, that where Government had published a handbill offering a pardon to anyone of the offenders except the person who struck the blow, and a prisoner gave evidence as to what he knew, his deposition could not be given against him.
The Judge, 
Under what circumstances was the confession made? He was in custody I presume. Your argument would exclude the evidence of everybody examined after the reward was offered, if he made a statement under any circumstances, provided it was shown that he had seen the handbill offering the reward.
MR. WADDY - It would exclude it as against himself.
The Judge - That would be a strange conclusion (to the witness) You cautioned the prisoner, and he was not in custody.
Witness - Yes.
The Judge - He was a witness as to the cause of the death of the deceased.
Mr. Waddy - The same objective was held to be good by Mr Justice Byles.
The Judge - But under what circumstances? Was that the case of a person giving evidence before the coroner when not in custody and cautioned as to what he said, or anything analogous to it? There was a time when this doctrine was carried to an extent that verged almost upon the extravagant. In later times things have been looked at in a more reasonable point of view, but still authority is authority, and if that has been held by a judge I should respect it, but I should like it to be 'all fours in principle'. His lordship added that the point was a important one and he would consult his brother Blackburn upon it. On returning into court the judge asked Mr Woodhead if the prisoner was cautioned.
Witness - Yes.
The Judge - What caution did you give him.?
Witness - I asked him if he wished to make a statement, and he said he did. I told him I was bound to take the statement upon oath, and I said to him, "You are not bound to answer questions which may incriminate you". He made the deposition, having received that caution.
The Judge said unless Mr Waddy could bring some case more distinct than those quoted, he was at present disposed to admit the deposition.
Mr Waddy handed to his lordship the report of the case decided by Mr Justice Cresswell.
The Judge - In that case it appeared as a fact that the prisoner was indeed by the offer of the reward to make the confession. I don't find anything of the kind here. The prisoner might and probably did see the placard, but there was a caution. It seems to me that the statement is admissible.
The deposition, is opened by the Learned Counsel for the prosecution, was then put in and read.
Jane Hawke contradicted the prisoners statement that he had been conversing with her on the night of the murder.
Detective Fisher - I apprehended the prisoner on the 3rd of May, at his fathers house. On the 11th of April I saw him and asked him where he had spent his time on the Saturday night of the murder. The reward was not offered then. When I apprehended the prisoner I read over the warrant charging him with the murder of the deceased. He said "I'm not guilty, I'm as innocent as a child." I sent him to the police station, and saw him there about 8 o'clock the same morning. He said he wished to tell me how the deed was done. I had told him that we had found his trousers concealed under the bed.
The Judge - When you told him that, he then said he wished to tell you how the deed was done.
Witness - He did.
The Judge - What did you say?
Witness - That whatever he chose to say I would take down in writing, and it might be given in evidence against him.
By Mr Waddy - I did not see one of the placards offering the reward in the office. There was one outside, and any person going in might see it. A great many of them had been placarded at Brook House, where Sargisson lived.
By The Judge - Before he made the statement nothing was said by either of us respecting the placard.
Mr Waddy objected to the reception of the statement but the judge admitted it on the ground that it was a spontaneous declaration, after the prisoner had been told that what he said might be used against him.
Witness then read the second statement, and continued - I read it over to the prisoner, and said if there was anything not correct he was to say, and I would strike it out. He said "Every word I have told you is correct." I afterwards went with Inspector Hookaday to the prisoners house and searched the pig stye, and saw Hookaday find the watch. There had been a large stone taken out of the wall, and the watch placed beside it. It was wrapped up in a piece of paper - Cross examined: 
I know that Denton has been in York Castle, I believe for perjury.
Inspector Hookaday, of the West Riding Force, said: I was present when Fisher apprehended Sargisson. I searched the bed in which he was found between three and four o’clock. I found a pair of trousers, they were between the sacking and mattress. They were rolled up tightly and appeared to stick together, as though they had been rolled up wet. I mentioned to Sargisson that I had found his trousers under the bed and that they appeared bloody. I delivered the trousers to Dr Allen, of Sheffield, on the 9th. I showed the trousers to Sargisson on the following Saturday after I found them. He said 'These are trousers I wore on the day of the murder.' I heard Fisher read over the statement he had made, and Sargisson said it was all right. I found a watch in the wall of the pig stye. It was wrapped in a piece of newspaper and a handkerchief. I had to get on the trough to reach the hole where it was found. I found a piece of paper in Sargissons house, which appeared to be a portion of the paper in which the watch was wrapped. The pieces fit exactly. I found some keys also near the watch. I have shown the keys to Stephen Cooper, and fitted them to some locks belonging to John Cooper. Cross examined: 
I remember those bills being posted. There was one put up in Mottrams beer house, and another in Ardrons. The latter house is 200 yards from Sargissons house, and the former 100. I don’t think Sargisson could have gone throught he village without seeing the bills. I have never suggested that these bills, offering a free pardon to anyone who had not actually struck the blow, had induced Sargisson to accuse Denton. I remember that when Sargisson said he and Denton had been together in Ardrons beer house, Denton broke out, saying, "Thou lying villain, I never was in your company, and never had anything to do with ‘ee."
James Allen, analytical chemist, Sheffield, said: I received a pair of trousers on the 9th of May. I applied tests, both microscopical and chemical, to ascertain the presence of blood on pieces cut from the trousers, and ascertained that there was animal blood. It was blood of one of the Mammalia, but I cannot say that it was human blood.
The CLERK OF ARRAIGNS. Then read the statement made by the prisoner before the magistrates at Rotherham, on the 16th of May last, after being duly cautioned by the Hon. And Rev. Wm. Howard, the chairman.

On the night of the 9th of April I was coming down Brookhouse with William Taylor. When we got to the low end of Mottram’s beer house, William Fletcher opened the front door of the beer house, and asked me if I would go and drink with them, and I replied 'No'. He asked me again. I said, 'Well, I don’t mind', which I did, and then Taylor comes in afterwards. I played a game of dominoes with George Richmond, and then one with Fletcher, and then Taylor, Fletcher, Richmond and Robert Mottram was playing, and I stood looking on when the deceased John Cooper came in. I can't say particular what time it was when he came in. Then I came out first before the deceased. Denton was stood again the brigg, opposite the beer house. He said, 'Hello, Jim, where are you going?' I says 'I'm going home'. He says 'Come here', which I did. I went to him. He says 'Who is there in Mottrams?' I says, 'There's Robert Mottram, George Richmond, William Fletcher, William Taylor'. I says, 'There's a young man, a stranger, I don't know him.' He said, 'What sort of a man is he?' I says, 'He is a tallish young man, well dressed.' He says, 'It's the same man I’ve seen go in a while since.' He then asked me if I'd go with him to Hooton. I says, 'Where to?' He says 'Will you go?' I says, '“Well I don’t care.' We went to Dentons house. He says 'Stop there whilst I put an old coat and cap on.' He came to the door and says. 'Be going on, and I'll overtake thee Jim', and I went on gainer to the Dyke than the causeway. I daresay he overtook me about sixty yards, as ga'n I can tell you, below Mr. Ardrons farthest house. We went on together till we got to William Roddis's house. He whispered low, and said, 'See thee, I can shine a light through that shut.' When we got past Samuel Beech's he got hold of me by the right shoulder with his left hand. He says 'Now Jim', he says, 'Will thou tell anybody what I am going to do?' I says 'No'. He says, 'Thou sure thou won’t?' At the same time he says so, he catched me by the left shoulder, and shaked me. He said, 'I'll tell thee what I'm going to do', he said 'It’s not long since I came out of York, and I don’t care a b ... how soon I go again' He says, 'I’m going to murder yon man.' He says, 'I think I know him, and know where he’s come from.' And I says 'What?' He said 'I’m going to murder yon man' again. Now he says 'Don’t thee split a word,' He says, 'I’ll give thee half of what he’s got.'
He pulled out of his pocket a false beard then, and put it on, and says 'Come on.' We went down the road, he kept hold of my slop. When we got even about Samuel Beech's, Abbey-gate, he passed before me a bit. We went about 100 yards, I dare say, then, and John Cooper was just before us. Then he got hold of a stake in Samuel Beech’s hedge, and pulled it from a railing, and then went before me opposite an Ash tree in Mr Hewards hedge. He spoke to the deceased 'Hello', he says, 'How are you? I think I know you', and the deceased said 'Do you', and then he held the stake with both hands and knocked the deceased down, and I never heard him speak again not from first to last. He said, 'Jim, come and feel in his pocket' I says 'No George I can't.' He says, 'I will then.' He pulled out his watch and some keys and some money, and put them in his coat pocket. Then he says, 'Is he finished Jim' I says, 'I don't know. He says 'Then I'll finish the b ...'. He hit the man several more blows, when he struggled. Then he says, 'Come on Jim' and he laid the stake where the deceased was, and he says 'Come on then.' He kept his false beard on right ways till he got back. He whispered to me and says 'Dont say anything for fear any body should hear us.' which I didn't. We came on the same road right away until we got nearly to Denton's own house again. He pulled the money out of his pocket, and says, 'there's 7s. 6d.' He had some more with it and said that was his own, but I don't know it was or not. Then he gave me the watch and keys. He says, 'Thee take them Jim, and hiddy them a day or two, out of sight.' He says 'I am going to Tickhill, and I'll take the watch and get shut of it.' I says, 'Where must I put it?' He says, 'Put it in the pig-cote and the keys too. He says, 'My trousers are very bloody' I'll either burn them or bury them.' He says, 'I think thine isn't.' 'Now' he says, 'Jim, whatever thou does don't split a word to nobody.' He says, 'No one's seen us do it, and they'll never find us out,' and he says, 'Thee go tomorrow and look at the place where it was done with other people.' Which I did do. I will not be sure whether I saw him in the morning, at eight o'clock, following at their door or not rightly, then I saw him again during the week, but I cannot say the day.
After the first inquest he says, 'How did you go on on Tuesday?' that was at one inquest - and he asked me what I said at the inquest, and I told him what I said at the policemans, I did not go to the first inquest, I was kept at the policemans, and he says 'Well done Jim' Then I saw him at Mr. Ardrons. That was on Tuesday I think. I cant say right if it was Monday or Tuesday. It was Tuesday after the first inquest. It was the day Mr. Britain came. John Ardron and him was then in the garden together at noon, when we left to go to our dinners. Denton says to me, 'Don't thou know whether the policeman suspects me or not? Has't 'ee heard ought?' and I says I don't know. Then I told him what Mr. Ardron had been saying to me. Mr. Ardron says to me, 'Jim if thou knows something about this here thou must split - tell somebody.' And Denton says 'Ok be d ...., don't thee spill a word.' He says 'Nobody'll ever find us out'. I saw him again on the 23rd, he brought me some spice cake down. I was in Mr. Ardrons stable yoking the mare ready for working. He brought me the spice cake into the stable. Willy Lloyd was in the stable at the time. He called me to the gate again the road side, away from the lad. 'Now' he says, 'Jim whatever company me and thee go into, never thee look no different.' He says 'I'll see thee again tomorrow', that was on Sunday the 24th when I saw him in his garden, He called me to go to him when I was coming down the street. He says, ;You have to up again on Wednesday I understand.' I says 'They suspect me and William Taylor very hard'. He says 'Mind, whatever thou does, don't let a word slip, and they'll never find us out.' He told me if I see'd a chance to put it upon Bill Taylor, I said, 'No, I couldn't put it on a man I know is innocent.' He said, 'Well thou must tell them some sort of tale'. I saw him no more after the second inquest. That was all that ever passed. If I had never seen him that night I should never have been here, I am sorry to say, I've been like a fool to myself and a friend to him for keeping it in, that's certain. That is the man, and he knows it.'
Mr. Waddy then addressed the jury for the defense. He said that the theory on which he based the defence was no invention of his own; he based it upon the defence which the prisoner himself had made from beginning to end. He did not intend to deny that the prisoner was present at the murder, but he submitted that supposing it to be true that this man was there at that time, not having gone there with the intention of joining in that murder, not thinking perhaps, that any murder was about to take place, he was not a principal in the crime, even in the second degree. There must be participation in the act: there must have been common intent, a common purpose before the prisoner could be an accessory to the act. It might have been that he had done nothing to prevent the murder; it might be that the property of the murdered man was found in his possession; that would be good evidence if the prisoner was charged with robbery, but not sufficient to convict him of murder. The word 'confessions' was improperly used when applied to the statement made by the prisoner, regarding the guilt of another person; but beyond these statements there was no other evidence against him. The prosecution have not dared to put the only man in the box who could have stated whether he saw the prisoner on the night of the murder. Probably if Denton had been placed in the box, he would have been subjected to a tolerably searching examination, but he ought to have been called to deny, if he could the truth of the statements made by the prisoner. In making these statements, the prisoner was influenced by the placard offering a reward of £100 and a free pardon to the person who did not actually strike the blow,, but directly the man came forward and gave his evidence, the prosecutor turned round and wanted to make use against him of testimony he had not made against himself, but by himself against another person. The true issue was between Denton and the prisoner and it was for the jury to judge from the evidence they had heard which of the 2 men was most to be relied upon. It was in evidence that the prisoner had borne a good character, while it appeared that it was not long since Denton was confined in York Castle on a charge of perjury. After commenting on the statements made by the prisoner and contending that it was consistent with all the circumstances that had been brought out in evidence, the Learned Counsel concluded by saying that he left the prisoner in the hands of the jury. If they were convinced upon this testimony that the prisoner really murdered John Cooper, they would convict him. On the other hand, if they were not fully satisfied that he was guilty, and if they believed the statements he had made, they would acquit the prisoner at the bar.

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